Craft Your Business Message in a Unique and Powerful Way with a Jingle
A discussion with the Jingle Writer Cary Reich
038 - Cary Reich
Cary Reich, The Jingle Writer, has been in the jingle-writing industry since 1985.
He has produced thousands of successful campaigns for clients all across the United States. Cary’s creative vision helps his clients see their businesses in a customer-focused way, He has worked with radio and television stations to create successful jingles/branding ideas for companies such as Budweiser, Firestone, Gold’s Gym, Goodwill, YMCA, and scores of local clients.
His performance and publishing credentials include Musical Direction for the Jewish Media
Relations Council; writing and performing contemporary music for Sounds Write productions with Debbie Friedman; and keyboard player and musical director for Kool Reflektions, a Florida favorite on the Jazz scene. Kool Reflektions opened for the likes ofGeorge Benson, Branford Marsalis and Joe Sample.
Cary graduated at the top of his class from the University of Florida School of Business. In college,
Cary performed and produced for the UF Vocal Jazz Troupe and enjoyed “anonymous stardom” as the school’s mascot “Albert the Alligator.”
Talking Points
- Capturing an idea with words and music that people remember
- Setting yourself apart from the competition
- Identifying what your brand is or should be
Connect with Cary Reich
https://www.thejinglewriter.com/
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John Debevoise:Greetings everyone, and welcome to another serving of Business Soup Talk Radio. If it’s in business, it’s business soup. I’m your host, John Debevoise. Cary Reich is going to be joining us, he is The Jingle Man. You went a message to be clear, concise, and memorable? Well, put it to a tune. The Jingle Man’s here, and Business Soup has its own little tune.
Cary, welcome to this serving of Business Soup.
Cary Reich:Thank you so much for having me, I’m really excited.
John Debevoise:Well, we’re going to strike up a tune with my audience of small business owners, as to the value of a jingle. What defines a jingle, and how is it used?
Cary Reich:That’s a great question, what defines a jingle? I guess, it would be a collection, or a combination of notes and words, that are designed to put a message in a consumer’s mind.
John Debevoise:So if I want to get my message across that I sell a product, a widget, and I want that to stick in somebody’s head, I can emulate what all these other big corporate companies, and businesses, plumbers, air conditioners, and people have done, by associating my name, a product, and a service into a song, or a jingle in a rhythmic sense, that will stick in their head so that I become the thought when my service or product is needed?
Cary Reich:Exactly.
John Debevoise:See, I pay attention, I read your website. I’ve learned about it, I’ve been following The Jingle Man.
Cary Reich:I decided to keep it simple, and I have multiple personalities so my corporate, if you will, Sound Branding Ideas, is my corporate name that I’ve had for seven years, and I’ve been in the business 35. But, for recently I decided to have a little fun, and make it much simpler. So when somebody sees me on social media or wherever they see me, a networking, the jingle writer. “Oh, I know what you do, pretty simple.”
John Debevoise:Well, that certainly identifies you, that’s a brand right there.
Cary Reich:Correct.
John Debevoise:Unless you’re at the top of a Christmas tree, everyone’s going to think of you as someone who writes a jingle, those things that often times get stuck in your head and won’t leave. Thank you very much.
Cary Reich:I’m very sorry.
John Debevoise:You know what? You have done your job, you’ve delivered a message. As my audience can do, they can go out just about anywhere, and I wanted to talk to you about how the industry has changed for you. We’ve got websites out there like Paw and Five, that for 20 bucks and some editing skills, I can have a jingle, a theme, I can have just about anything. How do you compete with outfits like Paw, and Five, iStock, and Artiste?
Cary Reich:I guess, I do and I don’t. I’m a writer, so what I like to share with people, I believe what somebody is going to get from me that they wouldn’t get necessarily in one of those services is intellectual property, is the writing skills, is 35 years of capturing an idea for somebody. Sometimes I call myself, and people call me, the Forest Seer, because there are businesses that I have met with that didn’t have a slogan, didn’t have the creative campaign, didn’t really have a unique selling proposition. And I come along, and it’s just right there in front of them. It’s either on the front of their website, they don’t know, it’s right in the middle of what they do. What I help them do is identify what their unique selling proposition is, what their brand is and or should be, what’s going to be memorable.
And, it really comes down to the writing. I’ve been told that my writing skills, my slogan writing skills are second to none. Because you’re absolutely right, I can go a lot of places and get some music, and sing my name, and maybe even get some sort of catchy slogan. But, my job is to help you craft your campaign in a unique way that sets you apart. It’s funny, you go online and you can spend 10 bucks, or you can go to New York and spend $100,000. I’m somewhere in between.
John Debevoise:Well, you use that analogy about being in the forest. So a lot of these companies, to play of off that analogy, is that you can’t see the forest for the trees, and you are one of those trees in that forest as a business, so to say. That jingle that you’re talking about will separate them from that forest, so that people can see them or hear them, and your jingle creates an image, it’s words. Like on radio, we create images in people’s heads with words that we use, just like a sportscaster does on radio, describing a football, basketball, or baseball game.
Cary Reich:Correct.
John Debevoise:What about the royalty–free media, what does that mean? And, has it impacted you jingle guys?
Cary Reich:Oh, sure. Yeah, the fact that somebody can do what you just described makes a difference. But, you know what’s interesting? There are, I’m sure, 100s, maybe more, of people that do what I do, very few that do it the way I do it, which is unique in and of itself. And, I also have another niche that I partner with media companies around the country, and have built a niche and a reputation of partnering with them, to provide creative for their campaigns. So actually, the right client in the right city won’t pay anything for their jingle.
John Debevoise:Interesting. But then, you get what you pay for. How is it that your message gets heard, whereas others that maybe go to these discount outfits, their message doesn’t?
Cary Reich:I don’t go too deep into those outlets, just because that’s not what I do. I would venture to guess that you might actually get something that you like and be successful with from them, it’s not that that couldn’t happen. What matters more than where you get it is that you use it because, believe it or not, even a bad jingle is better than no jingle. Because most people, as much as you might love the announcer, and I don’t mean any disrespect, nobody walks around humming the announcer. And, I don’t remember the last time you saw somebody going down the street with [inaudible] in their head and said, “Oh my God, I cannot get that print ad out of my head.”
John Debevoise:Very true.
Cary Reich:Let me tell you what has changed, a couple of things have changed. Number one, the media landscape has changed.
John Debevoise:The digital market in media has changed broadcasting and television because, unlike the traditional where I came from in broadcasting and syndication, we didn’t really know who was listening. We would throw it out there, and unless somebody called us, we would know that there was an audience. Digital, I’m able to tell you how many people listen to this podcast. Or, if I want to have a rifle shot of marketing, I can have a specific ad run on a specific show, and there can be a call–to–action, and we can figure out how many people respond. It is a marketing blessing to have such accountability, whereas in the old days of terrestrial radio, and just traditional broadcasting of television, we didn’t have that luxury.
Cary Reich:You’re absolutely right, and your show’s a perfect example of that. But, it’s not just the iHeart’s of the world, and CBS Radio, and the local in your car, although those are still dominant and prominent places for people to advertise. But, these are niches that are available to the consumer, which brings us to what we started talking about earlier, which is the small business owner.
So a small business owner may not be a broadcast television, cable television, over the air radio station advertiser, but all of them are Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, LinkedIn, you name it.
John Debevoise:YouTube, all of those.
Cary Reich:YouTube, which is really second only to Google in search. It’s kind of interesting because YouTube has some opportunities and options where if they don’t watch the whole ad, you don’t even get charged for it. So a lot of my clients are moving their end sing, or the tag at the end of the jingle, to the beginning, so that they make an impression just as powerful as it is at the end, at the beginning. Which then, made them that impression, potentially, at no cost to them.
John Debevoise:We’re talking with Cary Reich, he is The Jingle Writer. Get your widget, gidget, or gadget out into the ears of everybody, this is the gentleman to do it. Of course, the resources to reach Cary will be available right where you found this podcast on bizsoup.com, where business comes for business.
Cary, if I’ve got a talented member of my family, whether it be a son, a daughter, or a grandson, or grandchild, and they have a skillset. They think, you know what? I want to be like Cary, I want to be a jingle man. What would you say to them?
Cary Reich:A couple of things that I would do is I would, number one, recognize that the successful jingle writer is wordsmith first, musician second. So if they’re a talented vocalist and musician, that may or may not translate to being a successful jingle writer. I pride myself, I collaborate with a lot of different people so it may, in fact, be somebody that it’s as simple as if they want to collaborate, and they want to work on some things, I’m the kind of company that offers that to people. So there are opportunities to write, to sing, to produce, so they could reach out to me.
In fact, I’ve had some people reach out to me, right on my Facebook ads. “Hey, I’m a jingle writer, can you use me?” Depending again on the situation, I don’t think any of us want to be training out competition, necessarily.
John Debevoise:But who knows, you may have the next Barry Manilow show up on your doorstep and say, “Hey, I want to learn how to write jingles.”
Cary Reich:Well no, that’s me. That’s me. You didn’t ask me, but I got into the business because I wanted to become the next Barry Manilow.
John Debevoise:Moving on with questions about the business side of this, we know it is a good idea, and a good business decision, have a jingle and it sticks around for a while. Do you want to change the jingle up from time to time? Or, is it better to have consistency over the years? So that people remember the lyrics and the tune, the melody, the limericks, however the jingle is delivered. Do we change it up, or keep it the same?
Cary Reich:That’s a great question. The answer is varied. I have clients that have been running the same jingle for 20 years. I have some clients that, every year or two, they change a theme, and an idea, and they want a music to go with that. I don’t know that there’s a hard and fast … I mean, we used to say that every four or five years, maybe, it was time to change something.
I will tell you that just a rule of thumb, when you’re sick of your jingle as a business owner, that’s when it’s just starting to catch on to people, so you want to stay the course. The whole idea of keeping something consistent is that your message, your offer, your call–to–action, … If you’re a furniture store, you’re going to have sales, you’re going to have events, you’re going to want to make sure they know who you are, and remember the name of your store, that’s the part you want to keep the same, that’s where the jingle comes in. If you’re in a service business where people need to remember you, …
Here’s another that I tell people all the time. If you’re in an industry where the manufacturer that you represent offers you what they call co–op advertising dollars, where if you promote, … As an example we’ll just use Trane, as long as you say Trane, and you use it’s hard to stop a Trane, and they see and hear the logo, depending on if it’s TV or radio for Trane, that’s all great. But, when the jingle sings your name, they might remember that it was Trane, and that’s good, but they’re going to remember your name so when that AC system goes out, they call you. I like that because that’s what we call OPM, or other people’s money, and there’s no reason not to avail yourself of that when you have a jingle.
Why does it matter? Because if I’m listening to a spoken ad, and I hear your name, Pete’s Heating and Air, as many or maybe less times than I hear Trane, or Lennox, or you name the manufacturer, I may not remember that it’s Pete’s AC. But, if I hear Pete’s AC sung to music, that’s the part that’s going to get stuck in my head.
John Debevoise:Cary, as far as the royalty aspect. Let’s say I have a grandchild, which I don’t, but I did and they were talented, what kind of money would they be looking at in this new world environment with streaming audio? How are royalties affected by this new age of streaming and new business model that, well, the music industry is in?
Cary Reich:That is a really good question, and I have to tell you, I live in a different world. There are companies, and there are opportunities in the music world, that are based on royalty, and based on what they call a cue sheet, so if you have something that runs on a TV station, or a radio station, or in a movie or whatever, that there are royalties that come from that, and can be paid from that, and add up. Most of the people that you’re going to run into on a day–to–day basis are more in the work for hire, or a performance right to a license that is not “royalty based,” but more here is what a license fee to produce and own, or have what we, in the industry, coin or term the performance right to take my creative, and I then can turn around and license it to you.
Most of that, by the way, is done on a local level. The vast majority of the jingles that you hear for small businesses in a local community are licensed to them, locally, for their local community, versus being a regional or national ad. And again, every company is different, every situation is different.
John Debevoise:So when I hear somebody’s song played at this political rallies, and then the artist’s come out and say, “Hey, we didn’t give you permission to use our song for your walk out on the stage and everything,” the artist’s truly do have a right to be paid for that theme that is being used by any politician. Or, anybody for that matter.
Cary Reich:That is correct. Not only that, they have a right to tell you no. I, the crazy guy that I am, am waiting for Mazda to bring back Zoom, Zoom in this zoom world we’re living in, haven’t heard it. I even said something about it, I was talking to one of my TV clients and they said, “You’ve got a local dealership.” They shared with me something that I knew about.
So, if you remember when Bob Seger gave Chevy Trucks … I don’t mean gave, licensed to them Like A Rock, it was very specific, as apparently was Zoom, Zoom. Only the manufacturer, only national, so if you were a local Chevy dealer, or a local Mazda dealer, you could not use that song because it wasn’t licensed to you for that reason.
John Debevoise:So it was only licensed for national distribution, and so the local dealers could not go, “Like a rock.”
Cary Reich:They might have been able to say, but they were not able to use the song. So every license, again, is different, that’s what makes it fun. Like I said, I’ve been 35 years dealing on local, vast majority of my business has been that small business owner. Yes, I have opportunities, when I’m at a TV station, to talk to the hospitals, and the banks, and car dealers in their market, and some pretty large advertisers, some regional advertisers. But, the vast majority of them are local, Mom–and–Pops.
And, at the end of the day, what matters most, wherever you spend your dollars, is are you getting the return on investment that you want? Well, what’s the return on investment on a jingle? Boy, that’s a tricky question to answer, too. Other than, can I measure and show you what results were you getting before, what are you getting now, how much more, how much better? Then, we can look at that, and we can measure that. And we can say, was that worth it? And or, can I say to you what’s the value of you being the air conditioning company that somebody calls when their AC goes out and they’re hot, can you put a price on that?
John Debevoise:That’s invaluable. It’s like being number one on the Google search when I type in AC repair, and up pops the Trane dealer right there, in my home community, or maybe a few miles away. That’s very costly to get. Or, I can have a jingle that I remember, and that I look up specifically, my AC. It’s like a search engine, but it’s in your head.
Cary Reich:Exactly, that’s the whole idea. I think it was Ries and Trout, in The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing that said, “There’s only so many rungs on the consumer’s brain.” You don’t necessarily need to be number one, although number one is ideal. But, if you’re not number one, two, or three, people probably aren’t going to remember you.
John Debevoise:We’re talking with Cary Reich, he is The Jingle Writer. If you want more information about how you can get your company on the minds of everyone around you, well go to Biz Soup where you found this podcast, and all of that information and his contact information, is right there. The one source for business, Business Soup.
Cary, I can’t thank you enough for joining us on this serving of Business Soup. Cary Reich, The Jingle Writer, thanks for being a part of Business Soup.
Cary Reich:Thank you for having me, I look forward to sharing it with others.
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